Don't Get Stampeded By The 7.1 Parade
February 26th, 2006 | by Mark Fleischmann
As a home theater tech critic, I spend much of my time evangelizing for surround sound. I do it unashamedly and with all my heart. I love surround sound and I want everyone else to get as much pleasure from it as I do. But I worry that a lot of people still waiting to dip a toe in the sound-field are turned off by a bunch of seemingly conflicting numbers: 5.1 and 6.1 and 7.1.
I've seen this over and over with people who are just getting into home theater as a hobby. When told they have a choice of 5.1 or 6.1 or 7.1 channels, their eyes glaze over and they mumble something along the lines of: "Um, well, I guess I'll just keep my two speakers and think about it." When speaking with newbies, I've learned to discuss surround as a 5.1-channel medium, which it essentially is, and leave it at that.
Why bug people with a choice that most would rather not make? The expansion of the 5.1-channel standard was born in the moviehouse, where it's easier to cover a large space with surround effects if you add a back channel served by speakers in the back of the house.
In film exhibition, 6.1- and 7.1-channel systems make sense. At home, however, 5.1 channels are quite enough. It's easy to generate a solid soundfield in a small space with three speakers in front and two on the rear of the side walls. To me it's self-evidently nonsensical to have four surround speakers outnumbering the three in front.
Your family's attention is riveted on the screen and that's where a home surround system should deliver most of its firepower. Adding more channels gives your surround receiver more work to do. That's never a good thing. Despite the "100 watts per channel" specs you see in spec sheets, the majority of surround receivers measure at more like 35.
So when an action-movie soundtrack swells up, it drives the receiver into clipping. This might sound like a slight deflating of dynamics. Or the sound may get harsher as it gets louder. In the worst-case scenario, the receiver overheats and shuts down. If you don't like what you hear when you turn up the volume, clipping is what you're hearing.
There are two ways to minimize clipping. One is to dump your receiver for separate components—a multi-channel power amp and a surround preamp-processor. This will cost you more money and make your system bulkier and more complex. The alternative is buy speakers with a high sensitivity rating, measured in decibels (dB), say in the low to mid nineties. Unfortunately they're not always the best-sounding ones. (Klipsch is one of the rare exceptions.)
Clipping is a fact of life in all except the most lavish home theater systems. But the goal should always be to minimize it. And adding needless surround channels makes it worse. When most folks go out to buy a surround receiver, what's uppermost in their minds is the price point, not the size of the power supply. The slow, sinking feeling comes later—when they turn up the volume and don't like what they hear.
At this point I should define a few terms. Feel free to skip this paragraph if you've just had a heavy meal. Dolby Digital and DTS are the surround formats used on DVDs; Dolby Digital also plays a role in DTV broadcasting. They originated as 5.1-channel formats. Their expanded cousins are Dolby Digital EX, also known as THX Surround EX, since the two companies co-developed it; and DTS-ES. In Dolby Digital EX, the side-surround channels are discretely encoded, while the back-surround channel (singular, though it may be served by two speakers) is derived from the side-surrounds by a technique called matrixing. Or as I prefer to call it, fakery. DTS-ES comes in two forms, Matrix (with the back-channel information faked) and the all-too-rare Discrete (with the back-channel information encoded in its own discrete channel). If you understood what I just said, you're a fellow drooler; if you didn't, you're probably getting annoyed and losing interest, which is precisely the point I'm trying to make. I've limited myself to the barest essentials and just look at the length of this graf. Having to reread it makes me queasy.
If you're worried about missing out on back-channel information in surround soundtracks, I'd advise you not to fret over it. Most DVD soundtracks are either Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1. The high-res music formats, SACD and DVD-Audio, are strictly 5.1-channel affairs with no 6.1 or 7.1 equivalents. If you feed a 7.1-channel receiver with a 5.1-channel signal, it will usually fake something for the back-surrounds using Dolby Pro Logic IIx processing. For my own part, I'd rather listen to five (.1) honest channels and dispense with the sonic smoke and mirrors.
With the marketing of 6.1 and 7.1 surround, the industry has decisively outwitted itself. It has convinced many consumers to buy new receivers and more speakers. But it has also undermined the 5.1-channel standard, which is more appropriate for the home, slowing the acceptance of surround sound in general.
All right people, fess up. How many speakers are you using: five, six, or seven? And those of you who "upgraded" from 5.1, do you really feel your system has started sounding significantly better?
Mark Fleischmann is the audio editor of Home Theater and the author of Practical Home Theater (http://www.quietriverpress.com/).
Post Your Comment...Comments
Michael on Feb 26th, 2006 at 9:18 PM:
"With the marketing of 6.1 and 7.1 surround, the industry has decisively outwitted itself. It has convinced many consumers to buy new receivers and more speakers. But it has also undermined the 5.1-channel standard, which is more appropriate for the home, slowing the acceptance of surround sound in general."
I love it! You are right on about that.
I am still using a 5.1 receiver and plan too for many many years.
Dan on Feb 27th, 2006 at 1:12 AM:
Great analogy...why have more speakers in the rear than in the front? I recently acquired a 6.1 system, and yes, that "center surround" is totally worthless unless the content is specifically encoded for it.
Evan on Feb 27th, 2006 at 1:38 AM:
Rather than categorically stating, "don't bother with 7.1 for the home", can you give us an idea of when it starts to become significant?
For example, one common "fact" you don't address in your article is the notion (perhaps also marketing hype?) that our ears are less sensitive to sound directionality behind the head; that an additional rear surround channel or two (matrixed or otherwise) somehow "reinforces" the surround images and allows for more believable, localized surround sound (assuming, of course, that we _want_ surround effects to be localized and don't buy into the dipole dogma). That would seem to thwart the "why more speakers behind you than in front of you?"-type arguments.
Do you feel this is true or false, and if true, at what size room (or for what kind of listening environments/seating configurations/acuity of hearing) does this become objectively relevant?
Thanks, from a fellow drooler.
James on Feb 27th, 2006 at 1:40 AM:
When I upgraded from old Pro-Logic to Dolby Digital/DTS I went directly to 6.1 (with two center surround speakers).
6.1 does sound better then 5.1 even when the content is designed for 5.1 but that maybe down to how well your receiver processes the sound.
But there is no reason to move from 5.1 unless you are replacing your receiver anyway.
Tomas on Feb 27th, 2006 at 1:46 AM:
I've been an 'audiophile' since the best home systems were single channel mono, and have moved to each new advance as an 'early adopter.'
In this instance, however, 5.1 is where my systems are, and will remain, until there is an actual advance in the art.
Thanks for a needed article!
Paul S on Feb 27th, 2006 at 2:43 AM:
Nice article! I definitely agree with this. It's even more true in the UK where our homes are generally smaller than those in the US.
I disagree with the receiver power output statements. Good quality receivers like Denon, Yamaha etc usually match or better their stated outputs, proven by HCC who test to destruction (neaarly) in their labs.
I certainly won't be going 7.1 anytime soon even though my receiver supports it :)
Dan Ball on Feb 27th, 2006 at 5:02 AM:
Great article and well spoken. I have went through this exact situation with friends and neighbors looking to set up their home theatres. Unless you have a very large theatre room, 5.1 is plenty. Even my family room/theatre is pretty decent size and 5.1 fills the space wonderfully and I have never even considered upgrading beyond 5.1. But hey, marketing hype works on a lot of people.
Chris G on Feb 27th, 2006 at 5:17 AM:
I agree whole-heartedly with Mr. Fleischmann. Personally, my surround system is a 5.1, it's installed in a medium-sized room and the sound is absolutely perfect. The 5 surround speakers have no problems whatsoever filling the room with plenty of sound.
6.1/7.1 systems only become significant in enormous rooms and high-end "theater" rooms that are becoming more prevalent in upper-class homes. I've heard plenty of 6.1/7.1 systems in action in normal-sized rooms and the surround sound experience is almost identical to that produced by a 5.1 system.
So what's the primary difference of 6.1/7.1 vs 5.1 surround systems? 6.1/7.1 systems will require more wiring, extra clutter, drilling, and more hassle overall for little or no gain in the digital surround sound experience. Rather than wasting $ on a 6.1/7.1 system, consider spending the same on a higher-end 5.1 surround system, purchasing the components separately.
Richard Corfield on Feb 27th, 2006 at 5:18 AM:
Why have we always arranged the speakers in a horizontal plane? Would it help to place one in the cieling perhaps, one one in the floor? Then when the helicopter is hovering overhead, it really is hovering overhead - not all around you.
Ben Becker on Feb 27th, 2006 at 6:12 AM:
FYI, as a former movie theatre projectionist, there's only one 7.1 channel movie sound format (SDDS 8-channel, because the sub is counted as a full chance) and the split is completely contrary to what the receiver companies want the consumer to believe. Instead of 4 surround speakers, SDDS 8-channel uses 5 front channels (L LC C RC R) where the speakers can be put to major use providing background noise and keeping the center channel clean for dialogue use.
If anyone is interested in a SDDS8 channel, they are rare, but look for Loews Cinemas built in the last 5 years, and wait for a major Sony or WB release. And try to sit in their bigger auditoriums.
Dan on Feb 27th, 2006 at 7:23 AM:
Two reasons to buy a 7.1 receiver instead of a 5.1 receiver:
(1) If you're lucky, the power supply has enough watts to drive all seven channels. That means you've got more spare power to really drive your five channels.
(2) If your front speakers support bi-amping, you can do it directly from many of the newer receivers, assuming there's enough power left over to make a difference (see #1).
Chuck Swiger on Feb 27th, 2006 at 7:40 AM:
This is a fine article, and you make several good points...a good clean 5.1 setup is going to beat an overdriven 7.1 setup that's clipping anytime.
Nitpick: sensitivity of speakers is measured in dB/W (or perhaps "dB @ 1W measured from 1m away").
wm on Feb 27th, 2006 at 7:48 AM:
A more interested question would be: assuming you already own a 6.1 or 7.1 receiver, is it worth while hooking up an extra rear channel speaker? In my case, the answer was yes. I have a reasonably large room, and the surround speakers are off to the side just behind the main listening positions. So having a single speaker on the back wall helped fill in the gaps a little when we have a bunch of friends over to watch a movie. And the clipping issue didn't apply -- my front speakers are self powered (Mackie studio monitors) so all my receiver's power goes into the center and surround speakers.
On the other hand, 7.1 seems pointless.
Then again, I'm definitely a drooler. I even have a tactile sound transducer bolted to the couch, which helps make the sound feel more real, without cranking up the volume too much.
Jon on Feb 27th, 2006 at 7:53 AM:
I've found that 5.1 -> 6.1 is a very significant upgrade. Having the true rear surround field is a big change, and even my girlfriend commented on the setup.
... And I'm not sure what speaker sensitivity has to do with power handlind.
Dan Wright on Feb 27th, 2006 at 8:04 AM:
Great article, and I agree completely. I've had a halfway-decent Sony 5.1 system for several years and have not been able to think of a single reason to upgrade! What I have sounds great in the space available, and the fake extra channels don't seem important to me, really...
I think another problem with pushing these new 6.1/7.1 surround standards is the number of homes already set up with wiring and mounts for 5.1. If someone was interested in buying new surround gear, they could easily be discouraged from the whole thing by the incompatibility of the "newest" hardware with their existing infrastructure.
Darryl on Feb 27th, 2006 at 8:19 AM:
I think the marketing has gotten out of hand somewhat, but there is still a place for 6.1 and 7.1 receivers. If one is interested in whole house audio then this would make sense. Dinner parties and the like would be served well to have music playing throughout driven off of several channels.
Chris/SoopahMan on Feb 27th, 2006 at 8:38 AM:
Thanks for writing this! I've been avoiding surround sound for a long time for exactly this reason. I don't want to buy 5.1 just to find out 7.1 is the new standard. 6.1 just always seemed silly to me. I've heard people say theaters use THX 13.1, and with the way HD has gone, I can easily envision companies marketing *that* soon too, saying you'll get theater quality sound when really they'll just be faking it even more.
Despite the faulty assumptions of the speaker industry, I will now go have a look at getting some Surround Sound speakers having read this article.
Ravi Jain on Feb 27th, 2006 at 8:40 AM:
Just yesterday I made the move to a home theater audio set-up (purchased, not yet installed). I was going to go for 5.1 but a friend gave me a demo of his 6.1 system with the Fireworks/party scene from the beginning of Fellowship of the Ring... rockets shooting through me and behind me!
That convinced me to go for a 6.1 set-up.
Doug on Feb 27th, 2006 at 8:44 AM:
I agree 100% that for the majority of DVD movies 5.1 is the norm. That being said, I have a 7.1 setup on my computer and there are a few games that support 7.1 setups, but I primarily use it to listen to music. Not upmixed to some funky sound matrix though, I switch my Sound Blaster Audigy4 into "stereo surround" and the effect is amazing. Essentially the 3 left speakers all play the left channel and the 3 right speakers do the right channel (the center channel has no sound) and the sub does its thing. The sound completely encompasses the listening area/room and provides a much richer/fuller listening experience. The only things that really rival that are DVD-A/SACD or a really good pair of headphones & amp (to which I also highly recommend). Just remember that the if you're going to listen to music of your computer and are using decent speakers or headphones, be sure to get music as uncompressed as possible; Windows Lossless format works great for ripped CDs and in some cases can improve the sound quality.
Michael on Feb 27th, 2006 at 8:55 AM:
I use four speakers and a subwoofer. I have the center channel turned off in my surround processor which sends that signal to my front left and right speakers. My two rear surround speakers and subwoofer are setup normally. My main speakers are very high quality so I don't feel I'm missing much by not having a dedicated center channel and I don't have a good spot for it since the top of my HDTV isn't flat anyway.
Tek on Feb 27th, 2006 at 9:02 AM:
Another movie projectionist here, and as Ben stated earlier, most of the movies in theaters are running on 5.1 surround. Although we end up having 8 channels (Left surround, left, left center, center, right center, right, right surround, subwoofer) Our processors simply just create the extra channels from the 5.1 encoding and no one can tell the difference. SDDS on the other hand, like ben said, is a true 8 channel sound processor. Something I don't agree with is how ben stated that it's only on a few movies here and there. Almost every movie we receive at our theater has a sdds soundtrack on it. There's only been a few movies that do not. So the next time you're at the theater, ask one of the managers or projectionists what sound format your movie is playing in. (not an employee, they won't know what the heck you're talking about)
Bryan on Feb 27th, 2006 at 9:18 AM:
Nicely explained.
I actually downgraded from 7.1 to 5.1 when I moved to my new home. After having 7.1 for two years I decided it was simply not worthwhile and haven't missed it since.
JJ on Feb 27th, 2006 at 9:29 AM:
I disagree with your arguement, but only on the grounds that you're being short sighted. In regards to DVD playback you are undeniabley correct: unless you're using 6.1 or 7.1 equipped media you're getting nothing better than 5.1
But DVDs are not the only thing that I have hooked up to my receiver. I've also got my PS2 and my XBox in there. Although they may only be sending 5.1 signals, their newer conterparts may very soon come with 6.1 and 7.1 encoding capabilities. As it turns out, I am a university researcher in surround sound, focusing on applications in video games and let me say that dynamically generating spatialized surround sound tracks is well within the realm of possibility of the current video game consoles. There are already PC games that will do it (given that you have a pretty nifty sound card). I'm not suggesting that anyone should run out and buy a 6.1 or 7.1 system, but before you write them off, consider that DVDs may not be the only thing getting played back through these systems.
Chris on Feb 27th, 2006 at 9:30 AM:
More pragmatic than informative.
It is good to reinforce the quality vs quantity argument, and not overstressing a receiver's power supply. But a properly done 7.1 system is undeniably more immersive and capable of far higher quality than a 5.1 system. The front 3 channels are most important for quality, but to answer your question, the front soundstage covers approximately 60 degrees, where the surround speakers need to cover the remaining 300 degrees. This is why two surrounds of equal quality and power performs worse than four. We aren't very sensitive to rear sound effects, so the effect is subtle and if the burden of installation and equipment is too great, then the pragmatic should stick to 5.1. But if you can swing it, 7.1 can be incredible. Dolby Digital IIx and Logic 7 both do beautiful jobs in taking either 2 or 3-channel surround information and spreading them across 4 surrounds. It widens the sweetspot, improving imaging for all the seats.
Bobby K on Feb 27th, 2006 at 9:35 AM:
To Chris,
I think you are missing the point. Mark is explaining that in a smaller room 7.1 is a waste because a 5.1 setup give you enough "sound fields" to cover the area. Your arguement only stands true in a larger room or movie theater.
Nidk on Feb 27th, 2006 at 10:07 AM:
5.1? How about 4.1. That's my set-up at home. Mostly it's because I just don't have a good place available to put the center speaker. My receiver is configured to do what stereos have done for years with monoaural material - play it in phase at equal amplitude out of L and R. Sounds fine to me.
Ward on Feb 27th, 2006 at 10:34 AM:
What nobody's really mentioned is that 6.1 and 7.1 are only important in larger rooms where the layout of speakers and furniture is ideal. If your room is small enough to get adequate coverage from two rear/side channels, or your couch is against the back wall, for example, a rear center (or two) isn't going to help you at all.
Of much more use than going out and buying a couple of extra speakers is buying something of high quality that can produce realistic sound. And, buying a receiver or amp that puts out some real, honest wattage to drive them.
Ben Williams on Feb 27th, 2006 at 10:39 AM:
The fact is, everything since 4-channel has been smoke and mirrors. With a 4-channel system, you can put a sound source *anywhere* in a rectangular space. Including front and center (no need for a center channel at all.) You need (a) sub(s) if you want to go with small visible radiators; but you can put a passive sub on the front set (or both sets) and you'd be fine AND you would have spent less money. The upshot of all this is that a Marantz "quadrophonic" (4-channel) receiver from the 1970's can decisively outperform all but the high end of "Dolby surround" systems. I own both: A high end Denon 7.1 system and the aforesaid Marantz. The Marantz sounds better. Much better. Unfortunately, today's encoding requires something like the Denon to break out the four channels, so as consumers, we're forced into buying 5.1 decoding or more no matter what we do, if we want surround. Basically, we've been screwed. And yes, of course 6.1 and 7.1 are total ripoff formats. So is 5.1! It all comes down to the gullability of the consumer (huge) and the urge to sell "new stuff" of the marketroids (also huge.) A marriage made on the short bus.
Ben Williams on Feb 27th, 2006 at 10:39 AM:
Chris,
You talk about "widening the sweetspot", but the fact is, the sweetspot is very much a factor of how wide the stereo field is (front and rear.) Not of 5, 6,, or 7 channels, but of two pair, no more, no less. Once an audience member is sitting close enough to any major radiator (front left or right) that it takes priority over any other, the sweetspot is long gone. And the fact is, a 4-channel system can and will produce a wider sweetspot than one that has an additional center channel, specifically because the L/R speakers are producing the center information and it will slide with the L/R information as the listener's position moves, which is NOT the case if you have a center channel.
5.1 is perfectly sufficient, as is 4.0 or 4.1 or 4.2. All else is marketing hype.
By the way, I'm an engineer who specializes in acoustics, and I own multiple surround systems, the absolute best performer among the bunch is a Marantz 4270 set up as 4.2 (that is, a passive sub for each of the front and rear pairs.) Everyone who listens to my comparison setup agrees. I'm sure you would too, if you could but visit me in Montana. :)
Tom Donaghue on Feb 27th, 2006 at 10:50 AM:
While good intentioned, this article only convolutes this topic and further confuses sparsely and misinformed consumers.
It's quite obvious 5.1 configurations are the still the industry standard, proof of this is bulk of the currently mixed soundtracks offered on DVD format. While this configuration is quite adequate in many listening environments and applications, there are benefits to the use of 6.1 or 7.1 configurations.
As our listening capacity is more capable as well as critical 180 degrees in front of the listening position, the currently used three front channel configuration adequately provides a full sound field. Evidence of this is found in the amount of information provided in these channels on most soundtracks as well as the emphasis of the loudspeaker's capabilities to smoothly pan from left to center to right. It's possible to provide additional channels ( e.g., far left, far right, left center, middle center and right center), but due to the ability of the accuracy to pinpoint sound in the forward 180 degrees, the further addition of channels or speakers would likely provide diminishing returns.
In a larger listening environment (approx. 2,500 cubic feet or larger) where ample space is available behind the general listening area, a 6.1 configuration provides a more enveloping sound field as opposed to a 5.1 speaker configuration simply due to the fact that the additional channel, while it's signal is still matrixed from the surround signals (on 5.1 soundtracks, 6.1 discrete soundtracks are available in limited release), can "fill in" the area that the side surround setup falls a bit short on. One way to possibly fill this void in a 5.1 setup is to use dipole/bipole type speakers which diffuse the surround signal and provide a broader sound field for the listening audience. This still, however, generally does not produce the more encompassing, spatial sound field a 6.1 configuration is capable of providing.
In addition to the more enveloping sound field the 6.1 setup can provide in comparison to a 5.1 configuration, the 7.1 configuration, in which the two rear surround speakers will split the matrixed surround signal, will produce an even broader sound field as sounds produced behind the listening environment can be distinguished much easier when not located directly behind the listener. It doesn't take a scientist to realize our hearing capacity is more prominent in front of us than behind is. Regardless as to whether the soundtrack was recorded in 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 discrete channels, the additional rear channels help fill in any gaps in the listening area.
Although very few soundtracks have been mixed with 6.1 discrete channels and none (to my knowledge and that are generally available) have been mixed for 7.1, these additional channels or configurations can be quite beneficial depending upon your application or listening environment. Most of this is subjective, but then again, so is a large portion of any auditory comparisons. While the necessity of 6.1 or 7.1 is irrelevant, as surround sound in general isn't quite a "necessity", these options provide just that, more options for the consumer. The best thing to do is be an informed consumer, for this topic, or any other for that matter. By the way, since when is having options such a bad thing? :)
One last note, overdrving your receiver and speaker sensitivity (often confused for efficency) has very little to do with the 5.1 or 7.1 dilemma...
Mark Fink on Feb 27th, 2006 at 10:57 AM:
rule #1 do not mix speakers. even if they're the same brand, make sure they're timbre matched, especially for all front channels.
also, i find that some movies sound much better in 4.2 matrixed from the 2.1 channel dolby track, simply because they had a terrible sound engineer mix for the dvd.
Alex Kubacki on Feb 27th, 2006 at 10:58 AM:
A few years ago I bought a huge setup of Polk speakers in 5.1 surround sound, but my reciever was backordered for a month, so my old reciever stayed for a while. When the new reciever came in, everyone looked at it and said "man, that 6.1 sounds amazing compared to any 5.1 i've ever heard." The real amazing thing is that my reciever has never been in 6.1 mode, and i dont even have enough speakers for it :)
Ben L on Feb 27th, 2006 at 10:59 AM:
The Lord of the Rings Extended Edition DVDs are all in DTS-ES (6.1 discrete). Enough of a reason to have 6.1+ imho.
Alex Kubacki on Feb 27th, 2006 at 11:03 AM:
Also, i agree with using bipole dipole speakers in 5.1. Flipping that switch makes a big difference :)
Tosus on Feb 27th, 2006 at 1:24 PM:
Hello. Great article, though I would like to disagree on a few points.
For the most part I agree with what you are saying. It's better to spend the money that would go into an additional one or two channels on a higher quality reciever or speakers, but if you see a decent quality reciever at a good price that supports seven or eight channel sound, I would still advise getting it if you are at all into sound. Speaking from experience, the surround sound effect from a discrete 6.1 channel DTS source is an incredible leap from the same track in 5.1. Also, because of the way most home viewing spaces are set up, it can be difficult to place both surround speakers behind the viewers and equidistant to all of them, something a back surround speaker can help copensate for. Finally, you speak about current DVD standards, which is good for now, but if someone is upgrading their home theater system, now would probably be a good time to "future proof" them for upcoming DVD standards, such as HD-DVD and Bluray, which will have the additional space that authorors require for higher-channel surround tracks. Just my opinion, though.
Roberrt on Feb 27th, 2006 at 3:28 PM:
I disagree. I have a 7.1 system at home and feel that there is no downside to having additional speakers. If the media I am viewing doesn't use them all, so what? If it does, then I am at a loss with anything else than 7.1. The author makes the argument that if the media is something less than 7.1 on a 7.1 system then the signal for the additional channels is simulated, but what about the other situation when you have say a 5.1 and you are listening to something that is encoded in 7.1? You are losing out then. If someone is looking to upgrade from 2 speakers, then I say go for the 7.1, even if you aren't going to use all of the channels.
Larry Burns on Feb 27th, 2006 at 4:37 PM:
I'm willing to bet that most of the comments here are from people who have not tried 5.1 and 7.1 both in their listening environments. When I added the second surround pair and enabled Pro-Logic IIx the change was very substantial (medium sized room). To summarize, the surround field becomes much more seamless and believable. I can generally localize the surrounds in 5.1 (even w/dipolars) to at least a physical plane in the room. With 7.1 (all dipolar) there is almost complete immersion.
Matt on Feb 27th, 2006 at 7:13 PM:
How many speakers am I running? Four + the sub.
I have the front channel panned center and fed to the left and right. In my 10' x 10' living room, I don't hear the difference, and it means I can use the true 55W RMS per channel JVC amps that have served me so well for so long.
Stan Rozenfeld on Feb 28th, 2006 at 6:59 AM:
I find that 5.1 is adequate now, but I am going to be getting an hd dvd player and later a blu-ray player. My understanding is that there is a provision for a full 7.1 (8 full channels) discrete channel set up. Once they start using all those channels, I think there might be some compromise in limiting yourself to 5.1 speaker system.
Jellodyne on Feb 28th, 2006 at 9:17 AM:
I've got 7.1 and it helps my setup. I don't have optimal speaker mounting positions -- my seating position spread out over two couches that meat at a 90 degree angle. My speakers are by neccesity too close to the couch. Someone on the far wings of the couch is going to get one surround right in the ear and the other all the way across the room. Now then, when my setup transcodes 5.1 -> 7.1 it smoothes out the sound between the two left surrounds and the two right surrounds, diffusing the rear sound more smoothly over a wider area. The same person now only gets like half the sound in his ear and the other part behind him. The opposite surround is still across the room, but there's also one nearer his position. So we've improved that persons' soundstage in both regards -- the too near speaker is less loud and less directional, and the to far speaker is louder. In the center of the soundstage (the meeting point of the couces) there's not a huge difference, but basically the rear effects are better blended than with a 5.1 setup.
Of course it helps that my receiver is rated an honest 110w x 7 and actually has the current to feed 7 channels without issue.
Finally, both next-gen high def DVD standards support true 7.1 through TrueHD. So the arguement that there is no 7.1 source material is soon to be false. Not that there are any receivers to take advantage of it yet...
Terry Miller on Feb 28th, 2006 at 12:45 PM:
I have had Dolby 5.1 since I used Laserdiscs. That was several years ago. A year ago I got a new receiver which supports Dolby DTS. Now, I have seven speakers and a subwoofer. I sure can hear the diffeence. I love this new system and just wish I had more movies that take advantage of it.
Chocolatemilk on Mar 1st, 2006 at 12:03 AM:
Truly I believe that 5.1 is the more impactful medium, however 7.1 has its place. In large theater environments (even in homes) 7.1 is a much more enveloping experience. However most receivers don't have the firepower to bring that out. I believe if you are going 7.1 you need to own either a flagship receiver, or separates. You also need a rather large dedicated space as the correct acoustics for 7.1 are very difficult to acheive in the average living room/den setup. Even bedroom theaters are too small. My 27x20 foot space works well with 7.1 as I can directly tell the difference between it now and when it was 5.1, but again, we need more content for it to be more ubiquitous.
Adam on Mar 1st, 2006 at 4:54 AM:
Good article. I agree that [67].1 surround is really overkill at home. The problem with having so many speakers is that the sound stage isn't wide enough to accomodate them at home.
You end up with sounds that are highly localised to a whichever speaker is playing the loudest at the time and that is more annoying than not. The same problem exists with 5.1 system as well, but it's easier to mitigate with good choice of rear speakers.
Not to mention that most people I have seen get these 5.1 sound systems then put the whole thing in the corner of the room and put the rear speakers right on top of the main ones... and then tell you how you can really hear the surround sound! These people could not possibly deal with configuring 8 or more speakers.
Adam on Mar 1st, 2006 at 4:58 AM:
Terry Miller: There is no such thing as Dolby DTS. Dolby has nothing to do with DTS. DTS is superior in every way because of this fact. The only thing DTS doesn't have is the household name - people expect Dolby is surround sound in the same way they expect VHS is VCR. Dolby got in first with an inferior product that they marketed better.
Gary on Mar 1st, 2006 at 5:49 AM:
I only have 5.1, but now I will not even think about going to 7.1 even though I have an Onkyo NR-801. Glad I read this article I was not aware of this Matrix or fakery as you called it.
Keith on Mar 1st, 2006 at 9:03 AM:
Please do not make me confess, or should I just stick with 2ch sound, why get 6 speakers when 2 will do, or just one speaker, "Why does Rice play Texas", OKAY I confess, 7.1 is better, sounds better, oops I will have to read up and see if my receiver is about to mess up SACD and DVD-a, but I bet it has a setting to keep that under control. BUT wait, the sound engineer put full spectrum sound in my sub woofer channel, and another one of those guys wants me to hang the surround channels from the ceiling, now I need HELP.........................
Dan on Mar 1st, 2006 at 10:17 AM:
I agree with everyones point of view, overkill soundfield etc. The point is, if you use your 7.1 system for MUSIC in addition to movies it is a fantastic option.
Jake on Mar 1st, 2006 at 7:02 PM:
I am going to agree partially with Chris. I don't think 6.1/7.1 will matter to most, but I personally miss some of the non-directional effects of my old Pro Logic listening with Dipole speakers yet still want the direction sound from both sides behind me. I do understand 5.1 can mimick the effect of a dipole pair, but some particular sounds are just not mimiced as well with 5 directional speakers as they can be with well located dipoles. If you have to make a pretty good sacrific on components to complete the 7.1 for what you want to spend of course go for the 5.1. But if you can go all out, even for a small room the addition of some good dipoles adds to the sonic experience no doubt.
ECA on Mar 2nd, 2006 at 11:34 AM:
OK, OK OK...
5.1 is fine, but the amount of room needed for a decent system, above 5.1, is shameful, if you want an AFFECT...
Still wish to go back to Full positional Quad..In the end, its only 4 speakers and 1 center channel.
Ed on Mar 2nd, 2006 at 2:45 PM:
I have a 7.1 setup at home, mostly because I could. I find it near impossible to find any content that is encoded at 6.1 or 7.1 so I end up using the system as a 5.1 rather than "faking" the extra rear channel. So I will agree, 7.1 is overkill. There is no content and most rooms do not need the extra sound fields for the space.
I question the clipping comment. I have a Harman/ Kardon AVR 630 and I have not heard any clipping pushing all 7 speakers at full volume, but that is usually deafening. Normal viewing I play at -30 to -40 and "movie night" with a full house I play at -20 at most.
Andy Rondeau on Mar 2nd, 2006 at 9:48 PM:
As someone who uses 6.1 daily, I strongly disagree with this article. About two years ago I purchased a new reciever, and it had 6.1, even though I only had 5 speakers in my setup. Being the home theater nerd, I pulled some junky speakers out of my closet and wired them up with some spare wire. I was impressed. Today, my listening room is quite small, yet 6.1 makes a huge difference. (I strech the rear center channel between two speakers.) DTS Neo:6, my prefered decoder for 2-channel source material, sounds much more natural in 6 channels. 5.1 DVDs likewise sound better because the soundfield spreads naturally behind me. (I don't use the rear-center for DVD-A/SACD.) 6.1 and 7.1 aren't "break the bank" features, but home theater enthusiasts like me will certainly enjoy them!
Karl VIklund on Mar 3rd, 2006 at 8:47 AM:
Very very nice! Thanks!
DF on Mar 5th, 2006 at 4:59 PM:
Well I'm of two minds. For NOW 5.1 is fine, however with the advent of HD, I suspect you'll find there is more detail to be had in 7.1 systems. And honestly even by that I refer to 6.1 as well by simply the added detail of a far rear surround. If your ears are good there is an effect to be had and notice from such a system. What I think your article does, however is point out that there is not MUCH need presently and even in the near future for more than 5.1. I have the 7.1 setup but a receiver that currently only does 6.1. I did not hook up the far rears yet, and I am primarily not doing so because the full HD format war has not come to an end, nor are there receivers out that yet fully resolve the new standards (well that are affordable). I did use the Klipsch option because I was aware of the soundfield and sensitivity issue, but most folks are happy to walk home with a tiny Bose system that performs in mediocre fashion and call it a day.
What I think you alluded to, but should have stated strongly is that you are far better off spending any money you'd have spent on a 7.1 system on BETTER 5.1 parts. Taking home more, but far less quality speakers and amp, is not going to do anything to give you enjoyment from the money spent. And that is key. The only reason I went to 7.1 on the speaker side is because I upgraded my side surrounds to a better quality level and I didn't have much to do with the previous ones, so I just moved them to the rear. I don't care if they add much, they were a freebie from that angle. I did, and advocate to others spend money well on the primary 5.1 arrangement.
The next gen standards are almost here, but the content will still take time to make anything worthwhile. By this time next year, however you might sing a slightly different tune in regards to 6.1/7.1. Again, we all too often justify that for spending money now which is foolish. These items get better quality and cheaper as time moves on and 1 year can be a big change.
So you are right, 5.1 for now, but bear in mind to keep an eye (or ear in this case) on the new standards that are just about for sale, and weigh that into next year's column.
:)
AqLumen on Mar 7th, 2006 at 10:32 PM:
I imagine setting up a 6.1 or 7.1 system would be quite a hassle for most people. The extra speakers just don't offer a clear advantage over a 5.1 setup. I'd rather save the money and purchase a quality set of 5.1 speakers or a better receiver/amplifier.
On my PC I have yet to hear better sound than from my Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1--and I've tried Logitech, Boston Acoustics, Creative, and other major brands. Some may be louder (like Logitech) but not as accurate.
putergeek on Mar 8th, 2006 at 7:44 PM:
Hey why not just hook up an insane amount of speakers like I did for movie night at my house. I have 5.1 running off my sound card in my pc. I play everything through my pc and then just put splitters on my card so I have 5 seperatly powered speaker systems oriented all around the room so that the volume on each individual speaker can be lower. This allows people sitting close to a speaker to not be overwhelmed and turns the entire room into a sweet spot:D
Here is my setup. I have a 5.1 speaker set hooked up to proper jacks. I have a splitter that puts two 2.0 speaker sets on the front right and left channels, two 2.0 speaker sets on the rear left and right channels, a special splitter takes stereo signal and creates different monotone signals from the sub and center channels port. This lets me hook up the center channel to my tv giving more center producing speakers(at a lower volume) when it is actually used and the sub channel to an additional sub when the extra umph is needed in say a combat game when you fire a gun. You are hit by the bass from two different dirrections so it feels like you are right in the middle of it instead of off to the side.
You may say im crazy but thats ok because my setup sounds so encompassing there is no comparision for the price I paid. My 5.1 cost only $60 and each of the 2.0's cost $5 a set and the five splitters cost $2.50 a piece and yes they are gold plated. I always shop around looking for good deals. Using four 2.0 speaker sets allows you to perchase cheap ons as you find them. I have two different types and yet they all look beautiful. Oh and to make me sound a little less extreme here is a link to a site where a guy has 24 true seperate channels in his house running off of his pc:
http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000477034692/
Enjoy
~putergeek
Antonio Chuh on Jun 10th, 2006 at 12:51 AM:
I entirely agree with Mark. Owning a 7.1-capable receiver and having hooked up 5.1 speakers, I have my dvd, Xbox, Xbox 360 and PS2 all connected digitally to the receiver. 5.1 speakers are source-faithful and more than adequate to meet my dvd-watching and gaming needs.
ken gibbs on Jun 15th, 2006 at 3:17 AM:
I have a 7.1 system that includes a seperate power amp. The biggest difference I notice (in movies) is the rear sound seems more encompassing. Not a hugh difference from 5.1 and yeah the 6th and 7th channels are mostly "fake" but it is an enjoyable
ken gibbs on Jun 15th, 2006 at 3:17 AM:
I have a 7.1 system that includes a seperate power amp. The biggest difference I notice (in movies) is the rear sound seems more encompassing. Not a hugh difference from 5.1 and yeah the 6th and 7th channels are mostly "fake" but it is an enjoyable and noticable difference.
broderick on Jul 16th, 2006 at 4:24 PM:
Actually I'm on here doing research because of my new job at Best Buy. My boss told me it is of upmost importance to learn these. I think it's more of a marketing strategy to talk people into buying the 7.1, and if not better the 5.1 than nothing at all. Only thing is, customeers know when you are trying to make a sale and you are trying to really be helpful. At least I know I can tell. Anyway I'll just go by what I've learned here as far as space in their theatre room or if the person is a tech geek and likes the latest gadgets. Thanks for all the helpful info.
Hal Hamilton on Oct 3rd, 2006 at 7:45 AM:
Why have more speakers in back than in front? For one, about 60-70% of what you hear in music and theater is reflected, not direct. In a movie mix, it is often much more than that at certain points in time. As the media improves (HD, BlueRay) you'll see more mixes exploiting the improved surround capacity. So if you have a 5.1 system, enjoy. If you're doing something new, I'd advise you think about where things are headed.
Vaylen on Oct 4th, 2006 at 9:48 PM:
All this about 5.1 and 7.1 is fine but the real point is what you want out of the audio setup and where are you going to be listening. Room size is critical in determining what kind of setup you end up with that will do what you want to do.
A listening area of less then 300 sq ft is completely different as to the system required. Most important is what you will use for. If it's home theatre and less than 300 sq ft, then 5.1 will do just fine. But if you are like me and have some 600 sq ft with ten foot ceilings then 7.1 makes a lot more sense for creating the immersive threatre experience.
If you want classical music then spend all you money on two speakers and a sub and the amp. Rock music the same except the sub is a little more important. Like it loud then more power. For games the surround part becomes important.
Most people don't appreciate all the fine detail available in an expensive system. The trick is to determine what "you" want and where you are going to have all this fun. Doing movies right requires more room and more money to get those "star wars" effects. The type of music makes the job different and the equipment a lot different. My advise is to start off small and grow into the type of system you really need and want. No one listens - they spend the most they can afford to get the biggest and baddest immediately. And they usually love it.
Another thing all this misses is content. A bad movie or a bad song won't be any good no matter how much you throw at equipment. The best movie experience I ever had was watching for the first time, "Silence of the Lambs", on a thirty inch ten year old Magnavox CRT TV with the two little tv speakers providing my audio. It's all about content to me. The equipment might make it a better experience, but it's still the content that immereces you in that reality. Eric is great on my little bitty computer speakers.
D. Sampson on Dec 18th, 2006 at 8:45 PM:
From my personal experience I have to agree with this artical for the most part. As I went to blockbuster today, they only have 2 movies with 6.1 the rest was 5.1 and lower. But my opinion on the 5 vs. 7 speakers, I think 7 is much better, couse like say if a missile was launched from behind you then the sound would come from behind you fading to the side surround to the front. It is really quiet awesome, even though I have only experienced this with 1 movie so far. I imagine more 6.1 and 7.1 movies will come out.
john dudich on Dec 21st, 2006 at 2:25 PM:
I've had a thx certified 7.2 system for over a year. I used my old receiver for the rear speakers. I have a front pair of speakers with fifteen inch woofers, I used the TV speakers for the center and all my side and rear speakers have twelve in woofers. Total power around nine hundred watts. Till blueray came out used a digital VHS with D=theater 7.2 sound. I do all this in a sixteen by twenty foot room. Overkill Yes but don't let any of these guys tell you it doesn't sound great. Letting the system play music this way has to be heard to be believed. Santa's bringing me a blueray player. The next generation is here. So if money is no object or your just a little nuts like me go the seven two route
John on Jan 8th, 2007 at 4:48 PM:
I have solved the problem. I am getting an Onkyo HT-S790 which is a 7.1 However I am putting the two rear behind you speakers in my hope chest and hope one day I can take them out and use them instead of buying a new system. I believe in the next 5 to 7 years most dvd's will be in 7.1.
rick everest on Jan 18th, 2007 at 2:22 AM:
hey listen here all you fags and drags! a nice 2 channel system (paradigm speakers, denon amp) can really make you think about most 5.1 systems, if you really want a true natural and not over hyped system get a denon 5.1 amp matched with the paradigm(or infinity) speakers and you will forever laugh at any 6 or 7.1
Jon Isenberg on Jan 25th, 2007 at 7:48 PM:
What a sensible review of surround which is practical and eliminates the ridulousness of ever-expanding multichannel formats with the finite space of a house or apartment! Mark makes excellent points of quality over quantity and not being overwhelmed with gimicky multi-channel formats.
Now if Mark can bring his expertise in a similar way to understanding the HDTV world including the need to upgrade channel or satelite TV in order to get a HD signal. How much is HDTV of this going to cost when said and done?
Thanks for bringing quality audio and visual electronics down to earth!!
Jon
p on Feb 12th, 2007 at 7:39 AM:
For those of you who wish to upgrade their 5.1 dts and ac-3 (dolby digital) to 6.1 or 7.1, Here is the list of softwares (DVD).
(Dolby Digital EX)
102 Dalmatians
Alamo, The
Alien Adventure - 3D (IMAX)
Alone in the Dark
Art Of War, The
Artificial Intelligence: A.I.
Astronaut's Wife, The
Atlantis: Lost Empire, The
Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me
Austin Powers in Goldmember
Avalon - 2001 version
Avenging Fist, The (aka Tekken)
Bad Taste
Bats
Beastmaster
Bone Collector, The
Bones
Blade II
Blade: Trinity
Butterfly Effect, The
Can't Stop The Music
*Cast Away
Caveman's Valentine, The
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Chicken Run
Church, The
Claim, The
Contamination
Corpse Bride
*Crash - Director's Cut
Dangerous Lives of Altar Boys, The
Day of the Dead
Dawn of the Dead
Dead & Buried
*Devil's Rejects
Die Another Day
*Digital Video Essentials
Dirty Dancing: Ultimate Edition
Dirty Dancing: Havana Nights
Dominolatinum Series
Encounters in the 3rd Dimension - 3D (IMAX)
E.T.: The Extraterrestrial
Evil Dead, The
Exorcist: The Version You've Never Seen
Fast Company
*Fight Club
Final Countdown, The
Final Destination 2
Final Destination 3: Trill Ride Edition
Finding Nemo
Fire And Ice
Footloose
Freddy vs Jason
Ghost In The Shell: SE
Gladiator
God Told Me To
Harry Potter And The Chamber of Secrets
Harry Potter And The Sorceror's Stone
Harry Potter And The Prisoner of Azkaban
Haunted Castle - 3D (IMAX)
*Haunting, The
Highlander
Highlander 2: The Quickening
Hills Have Eyes, The
*Hollow Man
House of the Dead
Hulk
Incredibles, The
Jurassic Park III
Knockaround Guys, The
Leatherface: Texas Chainsaw Massacre III
Legend Of Bagger Vance, The
Long Past Dead
Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring, The
Lord Of The Rings: The Return of the King, The
Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers, The
*Lord of War
Man Who Fell to Earth, The
Maniac
Mask, The: Platinum Series
Master & Commander: The Far Side of The World
Messenger: The Story Of Joan Of Arc
Mexican, The
Minority Report
Mission To Mars
Monster's Inc.
Monsieur Ibrahim
My Brilliant Career
Neon Genesis Evangelion: End of Evangelion
Ninja Scroll: 10th Anniversary Special Edition
On Golden Pond
Open Water
Opera
Osterman Weekend, The
Perfect Storm, The
Pirates Of The Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl
Peter Pan
Pitch Black
*Punch Drunk Love: Superbit Deluxe
*Punisher, The
Q: The Winged Serpent
R-Xmas
Ring, The
Running Man, The
Rush Hour 2
Say It Isn't So
*Saw
Saw II
Secondhand Lions: Platinum Series
See Spot Run
Se7en: Platinum Series
Signs
S1mone
Someone Like You
Spy Kids
Spooky House
StageFright (aka Aquarius)
Standing in the Shadows of Motown
*Stargate: Ultimate Edition
Starstruck
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Star Wars Episode II: Attack Of The Clones
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
*Stir of Echoes: SE
Stunt Man, The
Suspiria
Terminator
**Terminator 2: Judgement Day: Extreme Edition
Terminator 2: Judgement Day: Ultimate Edition
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Time Bandits
Titanic:SCE
Top Gun: Special Collector's Edition
Toy Story: 10th Anniversary Edition
Toy Story 2
Treasure Planet
Transporter, The
Two Evil Eyes
Unbreakable
Untouchables, The
Venom
Vigilante
Village, The
Watcher in the Woods, The
We Were Soldiers
When Harry Met Lloyd: Dumb and Dumberer
Willard
Winged Migration
World Is Not Enough, The
X-Men: The Last Stand
(DTS Digital Surround ES Matrix)
102 Dalmations
Alone in the Dark
Artificial Intelligence: A.I.
Atlantis: The Lost Empire COLLECTOR'S EDITION ONLY!
Austin Powers in Goldmember
Avenging Fist, The (aka Tekken)
Bad Taste
Beastmaster
Bone Collector, The
Bones
Blade 2
Blade: Trinity
Butterfly Effect, The
Can't Stop The Music
*Cast Away
Chicken Run
Contamination
*Crash - Director's Cut
Dawn of the Dead
Day of the Dead
Dead & Buried
Devil's Rejects
Die Another Day
*Digital Video Essentials
Dirty Dancing: Ultimate Edition
E.T.: The Extraterrestrial 2-DISC COLLECTOR'S EDITION ONLY!
Evil Dead, The
Fast Company
Final Countdown, The
Final Destination 2
[color=red]Final Destination 3: Trill Ride Edition
Fire And Ice
Ghost In The Shell: SE
Gladiator
God Told Me To
*Haunting, The
Highlander
Hills Have Eyes, The
Jurassic Park III
Knockaround Guys, The
Leatherface: Texas Chainsaw Massacre III
Legend Of Bagger Vance, The
Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring, The: Director's Cut
Lord Of The Rings: The Return of the King, The: Director's Cut
Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers, The: Special Extended Edition
*Lord of War
Man Who Fell to Earth, The
Maniac
Mask, The: Platinum Series
Master & Commander: The Far Side of The World
Mexican, The
Minority Report
My Brilliant Career
Neon Genesis Evangelion: End of Evangelion
Ninja Scroll: 10th Anniversary Special Edition
Open Water
Opera
Osterman Weekend, The
Pirates Of The Caribbean: The Curse Of The Black Pearl
Pitch Black
*Punch Drunk Love: Superbit Deluxe
Q: The Winged Serpent
Running Man, The
Running Scared
Rush Hour 2
Saw
Saw II
Se7en: Platinum Series
S1mone
Snakes on a Plane - January 1, 2007
Standing in the Shadows of Motown
Stargate: Ultimate Edition
Starstruck
Stir of Echoes: SE
Stunt Man, The
Suspiria
**Terminator 2: Judgement Day: Ultimate Edition
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The
Titanic:SCE
Top Gun: Special Collector's Edition
Toy Story: 10th Anniversary Edition
Two Evil Eyes
Unbreakable
Venom
Vigilante
Watcher in the Woods, The
X-Men: The Last Stand
(DTS Digital Surround ES Discrete)
Austin Powers in Goldmember
Bad Taste
Beastmaster
Bones
Blade 2
Blade: Trinity
Butterfly Effect, The
Can't Stop The Music
Chicken Run
Contamination
Crash - Director's Cut
Day of the Dead
Dead & Buried
Dirty Dancing: Ultimate Edition
Evil Dead, The
Fast Company
Final Countdown, The
Final Destination 2
Final Destination 3: Trill Ride Edition
God Told Me To
Gladiator
*Haunting, The
Highlander
Hills Have Eyes, The
Leatherface: Texas Chainsaw Massacre III
Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Rings, The: Director's Cut
Lord Of The Rings: The Return of the King, The: Director's Cut
Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers, The: Special Extended Edition
Man Who Fell to Earth, The
Maniac
Mask, The: Platinum Series
Neon Genesis Evangelion: End of Evangelion
Ninja Scroll: 10th Anniversary Special Edition
Open Water
Opera
Osterman Weekend, The
Q: The Winged Serpent
Running Man, The
Running Scared
Rush Hour 2
Saw
Se7en: Platinum Series
S1mone
Standing in the Shadows of Motown
Stargate: Ultimate Edition
Stir of Echoes: SE
Stunt Man, The
Suspiria
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The
**Terminator 2: Judgement Day: Ultimate Edition
Titanic:SCE
Top Gun: Special Collector's Edition
Venom
Vigilante
Watcher in the Woods, The
X-Men: The Last Stand
(DTS-ES CD Music)
Blasters, The - Live: Going Home
Cheryl Crow - Globe Sessions
Don Henley - End Of Innocence
Frank Zappa - Halloween
Midnight Oil - Capricornia
Studio Voodoo - Club Voodoo
Sheila Nicholls - Wake
(DTS-ES DVD-Audio)
Crystal Method - The Legion of Boom
Everclear - So Much for the Afterglow
Insane Clown Posse - The Wraith: Shangri-La
Medeski, Martin & Wood - Uninvisible
SheDaisy - The Whole Shebang
Studio VooDoo - Studio VooDoo
LTJ BUKEM, Planet Earth
All of the titles are confirmed or referenced from Dolby, THX, DTS, Anchor Bay & Widescreen Review websites (and other sources).
(HD DVD)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
We Were Soldiers
(Blu-ray)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Lord of War
The Punisher
Saw
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
We Were Soldiers
*These titles also include their SuberBit and D-Theater counterparts as well.
*These titles also include Blu-Ray
*These titles also include HD-DVD
All above Region 1 disc.
Feel free to add more titles.
KermitTF on Mar 19th, 2007 at 9:41 AM:
Since 1985, I had been running 2.0 from a Scott system. Kinda more like 2.1, since the 2 Jensons have 15"'s in them to begin with (found the resonant frequency of the house when I plugged my fretless longneck into the 1/4" input of the amp, and was playing some licks, and the whole house rumbled on a certain note lol).
As with most of my purchases, I look to what the future may hold, so when I do buy something (rareity in itself), I get the best out there.
I just retired the 2.0 system and purchased a 7.1 receiver, with loads of inputs, analog and digital, and some component ins/outs. The component video stuff is useless right now, since I am still on a 27" CRT from 10 years ago. But I know I will someday move to a plasma HD (DLP has issues I dont agree with, and LCDs just arent as bright IMHO).
I have extra speakers laying around (from friends who upgraded and gave me their cast-offs, still in excellent quality)and with rolls of speaker cable laying around from customer installations. So I went ahead and strung up all 7 speakers (no sub needed-remember the above named Jensons).
Its interesting to see what the ProLogic does and it does somewhat increase the audible field IMHO. I was snapping my head around when I heard something rapping on the back wall, or when I hear noises behind me (XBOX/PS2 games).
I have a fairly long room with the seating centered it the room, so it does fill in the space at low volumes. It is clean as far as I could take it (sensitive to extreme loud sound). Sounded as clean as a friend's high end system with electrostatics up to where I could stand it.
I may rewires the Jensons to be bi-ampable and use the backs for that purpose (receiver is capable) some day just to see the effect, but right now, I am quite pleased with running on 7.
It may just be still the novelty of having so many right now.
Chris on Jun 10th, 2007 at 8:49 AM:
Hello - I have 5.1 speakers and 5.1 wiring in the walls of the room. All the receivers appear to be 7.1. Which speakers should I hook up to the rear speakers? Rear or Sides?
Calvin Beasley on Sep 11th, 2007 at 5:00 PM:
Thanks this was very informative, as I am now just having to reenter the market to get another surround receiver and was just trying to decide if I should move up to 6.1 or 7.1. But after reading this article, I know now that I will stay with 5.1 as I've been since 2000. You just saved me alot of money
Calvin Beasley on Sep 11th, 2007 at 5:00 PM:
Thanks this was very informative, as I am now just having to reenter the market to get another surround receiver and was just trying to decide if I should move up to 6.1 or 7.1. But after reading this article, I know now that I will stay with 5.1 as I've been since 2000. You just saved me alot of money
Eric J. on Sep 21st, 2007 at 1:23 PM:
I have 3 sound feilds thru out my home...my son's living room is 5.1, our living room is 6.1 and i just finished off my basement with 7.1. I have all recivers set for ("5pck") which means 5.1 and i change it only if the movie calls for a ("6pck")again means 6.1. Since I havent seen any 7.1 movies yet i know i made a great choice with 7.1 reicever because i get to enjoy the 5.1 and 6.1 all in one amp....so buy what ya want cause i bought 7.1 for 975sqft and it does feel the room.
greg on Sep 27th, 2007 at 3:57 AM:
looks very interesting, thanks for article.
regards,
http://www.anarsist.org/
jesse on Oct 25th, 2007 at 11:13 PM:
I run a 5.1 in a medium sized room and have found that speaker placement can be crucial. The room is not big enough to place the couch out away from the back wall, but I have discovered that if they are flown overhead inward at 45 degree angles it is perfect. Another trick I found was to fly the center and leave the mains on the floor. The separation adds to the center channel clarity.
It's a little weird, but in a much small room I also got away with laying the rear channels flat on their backs to the left and right of the couch and that also worked for recreating the rear channel effect.
Anyway, just encouraging people with challenging spaces to really play around. You can probably find a way to get the sound you want seeing as it all comes down to acoustics provided you have semi-decent gear.
rig:
bottom end sony 5.1 dts (does fine for now but lacks in definition the larger the speaker you use)
Powered Paradigm 8" sub (front firing)
Wharfedale CRS 5 LR mains
Wharfedale CRS 3 LR rears
Bose Center
I want to get the Wharfedale Opus 1 center but this college student cannot afford it yet.
I watch an unhealthy amount of movies and have not felt the need to upgrade to 5.1. A nicer amp maybe, after student loans are paid off.
Irina on Oct 30th, 2007 at 9:53 AM:
Great article and well spoken. I have went through this exact situation with friends and neighbors looking to set up their home theatres. Unless you have a very large theatre room, 5.1 is plenty. Even my family room/theatre is pretty decent size and 5.1 fills the space wonderfully and I have never even considered upgrading beyond 5.1. But hey, marketing hype works on a lot of people.
Adrian on Nov 7th, 2007 at 5:57 PM:
5.1 or 7.1 are you a hobbyist or enthusiast? If you enjoy the real home theatre experience go the the 7.1 regardless that most movies only support 5.1 it is only a matter of time before it is 7.1 and future proofing your investment(for at least 5 years) seams very worth it besides who really wants to listen to an inferior sound system like 5.1 when there is 7.1
Gary Harris on Nov 18th, 2007 at 3:59 PM:
One thing, all of these comments, taken as a whole, should tell those who are in the market for theatre sound, is that (all technical jargon and expertise aside) if you want to buy the sound that will please you the most, get out to the stores set up with sound demonstration rooms and actually listen to multiple examples of rooms set up for 5.1 & 7.1 sound. (KNOW) what (YOU) like best. Let`s face it, we don`t all have the same ears, or the same sound processing equipment between our ears. What to one, is a superfluous addition, to another makes notable difference & therefore a worthwhile investment. If your comparison shopping shows that you appreciate a difference between 5.1 7.1, that`s reason enough to go with what you like best and enjoy the fruits of your well considered choice for years to come.
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Ford on Jan 7th, 2008 at 5:45 AM:
Can I hook up a 7.1 blu ray DVD player to a 5.1 receiver and have it sound ok?
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Can I hook up a 7.1 blu ray DVD player to a 5.1 receiver and have it sound ok?
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This article is a great resource where 5.1 and 7.1 are concerned.
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Does DTS-HD support 5.1 or 7.1?
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I fully agree! 5.1 is by far the best solution for anyone setting up a theater for the first time. Do not get involved in the hype that 7.1 is generating.
David on Jan 7th, 2008 at 8:11 PM:
I bought a 6.1 system because it provided the best performance for the cost. The sixth speaker has been in a drawer since I bought it--and there it shall remain. All my friends comment on how amazing movies sound on my system. I've never bothered to tell them about my "spare".
Brian on Jan 27th, 2008 at 1:41 PM:
With BluRay and HD-DVD delivering 7.1 discrete audio with lossless Dolby TrueHD and DTSMA, I'm not sure why people are referring to 7.1 as marketing hype? IMO, this article was well stated at the time (nearly 2 yrs ago) but it doesn't reflect the current tech out there.
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I must admit I have a 7.1 system but I have a valid reason. I had a bad lightning strike on my home and it blew out my tuner despite my Monster SP. I recieved a check in the mail from Monster for all of the blown out componets and got a great deal on an Onkyo 7.1 with true 80 watts per channel. No Clipping in this household!! I have it set up and it sounds great in 7.1 Now to just get those media chair sets without my wife noticing
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The only time 7.1 matters is with gaming. I had 7.1s around me with an audigy 2 at one point, and games which support a full 7.1 immersive sound are amazing, because as you turn around the voices move around you smoothly. with 5.1 its still pretty nice and the sound still moves around you smoothly, but its a harsher jump at the back since there is no middle speaker. i understand 6.1, it makes sense, 1 middle speaker in the front and 1 middle speaker in the back to make the transition from left/right more smooth in a 3D environment. but what the hell is 7.1? it makes no sense to have 4 speakers in the back and 3 in the front. quite simply they should have began with 4.1, then moved on to adding a center speaker front and rear (6.1), and then adding center speakers to your left and right (8.1) for the maximal surround sound. But the world works in strange and RETARDED ways, and we are stuck with 5.1 which is acceptable, 6.1 which is the most logical but least supported type, and an idiotic 7.1 option which makes no sense. thank you human race, you have outdone yourself yet again.
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i have just bought a new av receiver what offers 7.1,but all my dvds say 5.1 is worth upscaling and forcing the sound to 7.1
marchelly on Apr 10th, 2008 at 2:26 PM:
It's interesting for me to read articles like this wrote by other countries citizens.
I'll tell that people in my country (Ukraine) usualy buy 5.1 home theater all in one box. The brands are most sven F&D and microlab for pc users and sony panasonic for others who have plasma+dvd. And even they bought 5.1 they know that 7.1 is "cool!" and cooler than 5.1 Ask them why and you will hear an unswer like: Wow 7.1 is bigger so cooler! :)
As for me I have Stereo for music and 5.1 for theater. But I think that it is not enoght to buy only audio system and be happy. You also must make your room "softer" to make this system work and your ears listen.
Sorry for my English. Want to tell more but need more English practice. Thanks to the author.
marchelly on Apr 10th, 2008 at 2:26 PM:
It's interesting for me to read articles like this wrote by other countries citizens.
I'll tell that people in my country (Ukraine) usualy buy 5.1 home theater all in one box. The brands are most sven F&D and microlab for pc users and sony panasonic for others who have plasma+dvd. And even they bought 5.1 they know that 7.1 is "cool!" and cooler than 5.1 Ask them why and you will hear an unswer like: Wow 7.1 is bigger so cooler! :)
As for me I have Stereo for music and 5.1 for theater. But I think that it is not enoght to buy only audio system and be happy. You also must make your room "softer" to make this system work and your ears listen.
Sorry for my English. Want to tell more but need more English practice. Thanks to the author.
rogeree on Apr 24th, 2008 at 2:42 PM:
When it came time to decide on upgrading my A/V receiver, the cutter was interconnecting all my components. 7.1 came for very little extra cost for me, so I have it. But I'm still waiting to hear unique sounds out of the back speakers, even from the latest bd releases. Has anyone heard a bd disk that really shows off 7.1?
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alot of info, got some klpsch heresy's need a good 5.1 receiver, any ideas or help. the kenwood was trash, looking for a major up grade for music and video, thanks a bunch guys.
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You have to remember that this article was written in Feb '06 and what amazes me is that things are just starting to pick up for 7.1 surround sound. As stated above, the next gen video game systems has things that support it and many of them have to have the latest HDMI capabilites to run it. Still, I don't see where I have space behind my couch (which is against the wall) to put the two rear speakers. I just ordered a 7.1 system, but I will most likely be using only 5 speakers and a sub.
TJ on Jun 25th, 2008 at 9:06 PM:
This article was written years ago. And certainly as of this year, with all the hype over the Blu-Ray and HD DVD formats over, theatre systems have certainly come along way.
With Blu-Ray winning by a wide margin, and with movie companies favoring the format, this is certainly an exciting time for surround sound.
5.1 has been for many years been the norm for many if not every dvd release. But obviously with the invention of High def movies, and the capability of 7.1 sound, it makes sense that obviously this is the next stage in home entertainment.
It happened with music too. Cassettes, vinyl, and obviously cd coming out on top.
And the same with video, including video cassettes, dvd, and now High Def dvd'.
And obviously with the new HD format, you get better sound too. You get to be even more immersed in the sound that films bring.
So i would recommend moving with the age were in. A digital revolution. We are seeing it in Digital Cinema, and now obviously we get to have that in the consumer market also.
7.1 set up is the way to go, but obviously, unless the price of receivers and speakers as a package or sold separately come down, and if the systems and their capabilities are explained to the people who become confused with the technical stuff, i think it will ultimately always be people with 7.1 Blu-Ray surround set ups, vs. people with 5.1 dvd.
Thats the choice we have. Im gonna go figure for a bit, and wait for prices to come down, and for the market to become much clearer with any luck.
Dima on Jul 7th, 2008 at 9:14 AM:
Hi guys!
I really enjoyed reading the article and replies. Thank you! However, I have one question regarding the 7.1->5.1 backwards compatibility. If I setup my speakers according to 7.1 scheme and listen a 5.1 source I assume that the rear surround speakers will not be used and only surround speakers (pointed at my ears) will be used. However, according to 5.1 requirements rear surround speakers should be behind a person, not perpendicular to his head.
Thank you for an answer!
(sorry for my English)
TJ on Jul 15th, 2008 at 5:52 PM:
Regarding your question. From my knowledge of surround sound. And more over the difference between 5.1 and 7.1 functionality.
I believe that, if you had a 7.1 setup, but was watching say for example a dvd that had a 5.1 soundtrack, the sound would be output from the speakers to the very rear. Not to the speakers (Pointing at your ears)
Hope this helps. Tell me if im wrong : ]
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I went straight from basic stereo headphones to 7.1 surround sound. I use it on my computer, which is what I watch all my movies off of, play all my pc games off of, and even run optical audio through from my xbox into my pc. I can say that the difference between 5.1 and 7.1 while watching movies is quite minimal, though the difference is definitely still there, but when gaming on 7.1, that exact sound location makes all the difference of survival.
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I am considering upgrading my receiver from 5.1 to 7.1 but continue using my 5.1 speakers for now. Could that be a problem? My close friend builds star tour buses and he said they had to put in 7.1 due to the blue-ray players. He said it would play but was not compatible. On a million dollar bus everything had to be perfect. Any Comment?
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If I have a 5.1 speaker system and play a movie in blue ray, does it automatically play it in my speakers as 5.1 or how does it work? Also, I am confused about av receivers and the signal they receive. Lets say I have a yamaha rx-v1800 (7.1), it has all kinds of different formats. If I watch cable tv and the channel isn't hd, will my receiver still make it play in 7.1 or 5.1 regardless? Or does the source going through my receiver have to be in that format already? This is all so confusing for me I wish there was a website that broke all this down barney style.
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I have a 7.1 amp, but I don't think I'd use anything above five channels unless my room was somewhere close to 100 cubic metres.
5.0 > 4.1 ! I'd rather have a center channel than a subwoofer any day.
SDDS in cinemas - yeah, good when you get it. But I saw Bond last week in an SDDS cinema, and they played the Dolby trailer beforehand, which can only mean that they played a Dolby version of the movie.
Richard on Dec 12th, 2008 at 1:20 PM:
I have a 7.1 amp, but I don't think I'd use anything above five channels unless my room was somewhere close to 100 cubic metres.
5.0 > 4.1 ! I'd rather have a center channel than a subwoofer any day.
SDDS in cinemas - yeah, good when you get it. But I saw Bond last week in an SDDS cinema, and they played the Dolby trailer beforehand, which can only mean that they played a Dolby version of the movie.
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I have a 7.1 surround sound home theater room that is 12x14 and if I put it on 5.1 mode it doesn't sound as good. The extra back channels fill the room with more sound. If you by better quality equipment you won't get problems with overheating and low quality sound at higher volumes. I went with 2 TSI500 (front), 4 VM10's (side and rear), subwoofer is a PSW125, and one CS2 (Center channel). My reciever is pioneer VSX-01TXH and is in pioneer's high end series. This reciever is a great solution to overheating. I recomend this setup for good sound quality and a great home theater sound experience.
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Drikan on Jun 11th, 2009 at 1:01 AM:
well i like sound and after just adding a blue-ray drive to my pc i noticed that the even the blue-ray movies Ive purchased and rentend only have 5.1 now my computer can handle 7.1 but again as you said its pretty much needless. i do game and well 7.1 would be nice more range of where things are coming at ya. but again im not going to go out and buy an expensive 7.1 system for my tiny ass room. especially when i play movies on my pc its really not going to make it sound any better since there not really using 7.1. so i've made up my mind and im going to go get a decent 5.1 system since ill be using it for gaming and movies dose any one have any suggestions?
Edwin Kelly on Jun 27th, 2009 at 7:48 AM:
I just got a Pioneer Elite SC-07 recently. Bought a set of Boston Acoustics HD-7 and HD-5 boxes then added some old Bose boxes I had for 2 of the channels.
Wow, this is such a big difference from 5.1. I am glad I made the switch. I know only Start Wars and maybe a few other movies are in THX but they sound Awesome!
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Ian Bell on Feb 26th, 2006 at 9:04 PM:
Great column, I bet there are a number of home theater manufacturers rolling at this. 7.1 IMO is just pure marketing hype. I have a pretty small room here at home 10x12 with a 7.1 capable receiver. I have had a number of people tell me I should add more speakers and I have to explain everytime why its not important to me. Nice to see the experts confirming this.